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Interested in the origins of "old sayings"?
We use so many of them, passed down from one generation to another, yet we rarely know where they originate from.
If we find ourselves using one, then WWW it and post any findings!
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"old sayings"

Postby donna » Fri Oct 29, 2010 5:32 pm

I have always been interested in the origins of "old sayings", we use so many of them, passed down from one generation to another, yet we rarely know where they originate from, maybe if we find ourselves using one, we should do a bit of research, and post any findings :o

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Re: "old sayings"

Postby gonzo » Sat Oct 30, 2010 12:10 am

Like who let the cat out the box or a nod is as good as a wink to a blind bat :lol:

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Re: "old sayings"

Postby dub » Sat Oct 30, 2010 12:43 am

'Put your cards on the table'
Putting Conkers on the doorstep keeps spiders' at bay
'Your pulling my leg'
An apple a day keeps the doctor at bay
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Re: "old sayings"

Postby donna » Sat Oct 30, 2010 3:39 pm

WARTS AND ALL

When Oliver Cromwell 1599-1658 had his portrait painted he ordered the artist not to flatter him. He insisted on being painted 'warts and all'. :o

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Re: "old sayings" A Barrel of Laughs

Postby zuluhotel » Sat Oct 30, 2010 4:09 pm

It is an English saying, it came from when the sailors went out to see they would always have a large supply of rum stored in barrels, when the sailors got drunk they would all be very happy and jolly.

This is where they got the saying 'Barrel Of Laughs' from. :lol: :lol:

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Re: "old sayings"To Beat about the Bush

Postby brillo » Sat Oct 30, 2010 4:56 pm

Posted by ESC on October 13, 2000

In Reply to: Re: Don't beat about the bush posted by Oxhead on October 12, 2000

This sounds definition sounds good I bet got a good mark
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: : I am 9 years old and have been given some homework to find what the meaning of Don't beat about the bush means I also need to know its origin as well Thank you for your help

: : Daniel D.

: To "beat around the bush" is to skirt the main subject. For instance, if you want to tell your dad that you broke the garage window with a baseball, but you start off by telling him that your homer won the ball game, you are beating around the bush. You're avoiding the main point, which is that the window is broken.

: It sounds like you need a definitive answer to your question and the best I can do is to offer my surmise. It sounds like this phrase has a hunting origin. In the Middle Ages nobles would employ serfs as "beaters" to flush game out of wooded areas, copses, or "the bush." I suppose if someone only beat around the bush and didn't head in to the woods to scare the beast out, he could be accused of stalling.

BEAT AROUND THE BUSH - ".It was once the custom to hire beaters to beat bushes and arouse game birds for the hunter to shoot at. So the beater stirred up the action, but the hunter got to the point." From the "Morris Dictionary of Word and Phrase Origins" by William and Mary Morris (HarperCollins, New York, 1977, 1988).

Another source has a slightly different explanation. ".these beaters had to take great care when approaching the bush or they would 'start' the game too soon for the hunter to get a good shot. But etymologist Ernest Weekley and others believe that the expression, which dates back to at least the early 16th century, is a mixed metaphor. Weekley suggests that the old proverb 'I will not beat the bush that another may have the bird' joined with 'to around the bush,' an early expression used for a hound hesitating when circling the bush - and gave us 'beat around the bush." From "Encyclopedia of Word and Phrase Origins" by Robert Hendrickson (Facts on File, New York, 1997)

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Re: "old sayings"

Postby Nevis » Sat Oct 30, 2010 5:02 pm

gonzo wrote:Like who let the cat out the box or a nod is as good as a wink to a blind bat :lol:

Its out the bag not box-who let the cat out the bag :lol:

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Re: "old sayings"

Postby steveizy » Tue Nov 02, 2010 9:13 pm

Nevis wrote:
gonzo wrote:Like who let the cat out the box or a nod is as good as a wink to a blind bat :lol:

Its out the bag not box-who let the cat out the bag :lol:


I think you are right , but to argue over this might open a "can of worms" :?

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Re: "old sayings"

Postby dub » Wed Nov 03, 2010 5:52 pm

Very good :lol:
But what is the origin of the saying :?:
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Re: "old sayings"

Postby steveizy » Wed Nov 03, 2010 8:18 pm

dub wrote:Very good :lol:
But what is the origin of the saying :?:


Apparently it is down to fishermen, who would buy bait (worms) in cans. Very easy to open but difficult to close.

The best reference I can find is here http://www.wisegeek.com/what-does-it-me ... -worms.htm

Quite a few more old sayings on this site :geek:

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Re: "old sayings"

Postby donna » Thu Nov 04, 2010 8:37 pm

A WOLF IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING

In Matthew 7:15 Jesus warned his followers of false prophets saying they were like 'wolves in sheep's clothing' outwardly disarming.

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Re: "old sayings"

Postby goodtimesdisco » Mon Nov 08, 2010 12:58 pm

'Rubbing the Salt in'...
During the early centuries, when England was developing the Navy, very often sailors where press-ganged into service.
While at sea, punishment was often lashes with a cat-o-nine tails. (A whip consisting of nine
knotted cords fastened to a handle, used in flogging)
These whippings would usually break open the skin, and so salt was then rubbed into the wound to help stave of any infection.
Of course, rubbing salt into an open wound would hurt like crazy.
So in modern times, rubbing salt in your wound, generally means just heaping more pain onto suffering. 8-)

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Re: "old sayings"

Postby Nevis » Tue Nov 16, 2010 12:03 pm

'Mad as a Hatter'

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The felt hat industry has been traced to the mid 17th century in France, and it was probably introduced into England some time around 1830. A story passed down in the hat industry gives this account of how mercury came to be used in the process. In Turkey camel hair was used for felt material, and it was discovered that the felting process was speeded up if the fibers were moistened with camel urine. It is said that in France workmen used their own urine, but one particular workman seemed consistently to produce a superior felt. This person was being treated with a mercury compound for syphilis, and an association was made between mercury treatment of the fibers and an improved felt. Eventually the use of solutions of mercuric nitrate was widespread in the felt industry, and mercury poisoning became endemic. Dementia and erethism were indeed a common ailment among 19th Century hatmakers.

The crazy Mad Hatter of Lewis Carroll's Alice in Wonderland is becoming widely associated with the effects of Mercury on behavior as well as physiology. Mercury was used to process the felt hats used in England around Lewis' time. Erratic, flamboyant behavior was one of the most evident alterations caused by mercury. (Others included excessive drooling, mood swings, various debilities).
But Lewis Carroll did not invent the phrase, although he did create the character. The phrases 'mad as a hatter' and "mad as a March hare" were common at the time Lewis Carroll wrote (1865 was the first publication date of Alice). The phrase had been in common use in 1837, almost 30 years earlier.

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Re: "old sayings" cock and bull story

Postby brillo » Sun Nov 21, 2010 4:28 pm

Many believe that the cock n bull story is tied directly to two inns in England called the The Cock and The Bull.
These establishments may have existed before the 17th century and both inns were stopping points for coaches and travellers who rested up prior to journeying onwards.
The practice of the sharing of stories at these inns and of travellers making up tales to entertain each other, especially during exceedingly journeys.
Some tales which may have exagerated and blown up out of proportion resulting in the expression 'A Cock & Bull Story' :lol:

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Re: "old sayings" Caught Red Handed

Postby Mary » Sun Nov 21, 2010 5:38 pm

To be caught red handed goes back to the day where the stealing of livestock was rife in England.
It was hard to catch the the and prove who commited such crimes.
Except in the cases when the villan was caught soon after they slaughtered the animal and still with blood on their hands :D

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